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Old 07-31-2005, 01:50 AM
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I am a soldier loss one of his legs in Iraq and I came back to the homeland in the darkness of night accompanied with a lot of shrouds without any regard, and I decided to expose those who stole my life



As casualties mount in Iraq, so has the monetary cost of the war. The military is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month, top officials told Congress this week.
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The Army, with about 110,000 soldiers on the ground in Iraq, has a monthly "burn rate" of $4.7 billion.
The Air Force is spending about $800 million monthly.
The Marines, which are spearheading the fighting in Fallujah, had an average monthly war cost of $300 million


The US goverment uses lots of methods to reduce the number of victims:

Only American soldiers are counted into the statistics, and even in this category they don't give the exact numbers

And what if we knew that the US government gave thousands of non-Americans promises of a citizenship if they fight in Iraq

and what if we knew that The US governenment uses thousands of american, british, and other bounty killers who work for the "special security companies" for high salaries and the US government isn't responsible for their safety

Number of killed soldiers till now : 9,500

Number of wounded soldiers till now : 24,000

number of deserters : 8,000

war cost till now :
http://costofwar.com/

number of bounty killers in Irak : 27,000

number of bounty killers killed till now : 16,300

Iraqi daily average attacks : 80-90

and u can get a look on this information urself usin this link :

http://cia.555mb.com/

and here


The Ultimate Deception?
By Jim Lampley
June 18, 2005
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thebl...ption_2838.html

Press Reports on U.S. Casualties: About 17,000 Short, UPI Says
By Mark Benjamin, UPI
September 15, 2004
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/e...t_id=1000630846

20,802 US Soldiers Heavily WoundedBy Raed
November 24, 2004
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com...ly-wounded.html

Their Blood Is In Bush's Hand
(Flash Presentation)
http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html

Murder By Numbers
(Flash Presentation)
http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/publi...040602204332930

Maping Death: Iraq War Fatalities: By day: By Country
March 20, 2003 - June 20, 2005
(Flash Presentation)
http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html

The Soldier's Heart
PBS Frontline
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ows/heart/view/

Iraq: The Uncounted
November 21, 2004
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain656756.shtml

Stockpiling the Wounded from Iraq
Inside Walter Reed Hospital
By Nicole Colson
June 06, 2005
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson06062005.html

This was a very good read from a year ago.

The warmongers 'love' the troops, until they come home . . . damaged
By Doris H. Colmes
June 29, 2004
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/12573

http://www.americanprogress.org
http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/resources.asp
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/iraq.htm
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaki...84537-4865r.htm
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:15 AM
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Try to keep your links up-to-date.
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Old 07-31-2005, 03:02 AM
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I know this isn't proper for this forum but it reallly burns me up. Sorry.

I am also an American soldier that has served in Iraq. No, I wasn't injured but I stood the same chance that you did. Although the people of the world have different views of the American military and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan you weren't forced to join. No one made you sign your name. You took the same oath that I did. Let me refresh your memory in case you forgot!

The Oath Of Enlistment, Reenlistment




I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the uniform code of military justice. So help me God.

When taking the oath, you accept the same demands now that American soldiers have embodied since the Revolutionary War. When taking the oath, you commit to a set of values:

Loyalty: Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit, and other soldiers.

Duty: Fulfill your obligations.

Respect: Treat people as they should be treated.

Selfless service: Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.

Honor: Live up to all the Army values.

Integrity: Do what's right, legally and morally.

Personal courage: Face fear, danger, or adversity.
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Old 07-31-2005, 03:50 AM
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Exclamation Not the place for this!!

I can appreciate your feelings, however, this is not the place for this type post!
I also served and did my 20 years. I did my time in Vietnam and had problems with it. I haven't heard of any of your generation being cussed at and spit on because you served your nation by going to Iraq or Iran.
I shouldn't have responded to your post.....sorry
My ungratful nation didn't welcome me back...
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Old 07-31-2005, 08:12 AM
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I'm not a soldier nor am I American. So you can disregard my opions as you see fit.

I'd just like to point out that although when you enlist you do surrender certain freedoms and rights, and you are expected to do your duty by your country, equally you do have the right to expect things from your country in return.
You have the right to leadership that does not abuse or demean you.
You have the right to protection just as you have the duty to provide that protection to others.
You have the right to refuse to obey orders that constitute an illegal act.

A soldier should be willing to lay down his life in defence of his country, but the 'war on terror' has only served to increase that threat exponentially due to it's indescriminate nature.

Remember the Geneva convention established that blindly following orders is no excuse regardless of oath. You are still deemed responsble to act according to a moral code in addition to your code of duty.

Like you say ninety5eclipz you have to act in accordance with what you know to be right and true.

What part of the Iraq war does that cover?
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Old 08-11-2005, 04:57 AM
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I am a VET. I was in only 4 years, 1978-82 USAF. I was not subjected to any kind of combat. I fail to see the reason for your post other than to cause contrervercy. My eyes tear up when I see our troops leaving and comming back. I have so much respect for anyone that choses to join the armed forces by their own choice.
Your post is as valid opinion as anybody else. Keep in mind you as well as too many others to count gave of yourself so there can be posts like yours.
You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this topic. This is our right and what you fought for.
Thanks to all of our service members, past and present so we can meet like this to disagree.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:20 PM
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I agree with the person that said that it was your choice to join. I am a military wife. I have friends over seas in diff locations etc. It was their choice to join. By joining you know that at any time we could go to war granted supposedly most people now days only join for the college benifits etc but you get the paper work and are supposed to read it etc.
I know several people that have had their vehicles distroyed, they were spit on etc. I feel that is so wrong to do that to our military. They are owned by the US. They have to do what they are told to do, no questions asked (well now days they get away with more, aka a break card?! wtf?!)
anyhow my point is that everyone that joins the military has a choice in whether or not they join it.
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