TO those vista haters

[Thor1160]

Vista is different...sure...however I believe if people sat down and bothered to read instructions, look online, etc. they would have much more luck. All these "issues" can be annoying, but the answers are there for those who bother to look. Working in the field of security I would know that vista is an extremely secure operating system. All those extra pop-ups are just trying to prevent viruses, Trojans, etc. Again, those who bother to LOOK for their answers, will find it. As we speak I'm using vista fine, with MANY games and not many issues (a few here and their, I'll admit,) but those who LOOK for their answers will find it. Obviously the reason they made Vista was to be DIFFERENT from XP, otherwise it would be simply windows xp. Of course it's going to change. It's much safer, and simpler if you are agile enough to find the answers.

So before you start flaming Microsoft, sit down and read! Thats what I did.

ALSO

"It's not compatible" mm...well there's something you should do FIRST to see if it WILL be. Microsoft has made [requirements] much simpler to use. Instead of checking a thousand different things, you can now check your WEI Located in Control panel >>> System and maintenance >>> under system click "check Windows Index Experience Base score The average computer, from which you buy at staples, (and yes no matter what the price you're pretty much doomed to a 3.0 unless you customize) is a 3.0 and yea....THOSE are your vista "compatibility" problems. My computer (customized) on the other hand, a 4.8 has an excellent performance and as you can see from my 2 screen shots, has a vast variety of playable games. (Around 30 games)

So once again I will tell you:

---Vista has an excellent security system, all those extra pop ups are from the new security system (and yes, It can be turned off)

---Bother to read, learn, and research.

---The Vista help system (f1) is excellent.

---There's no point in making a second windows Xp...it would be XP again. Of COURSE vista's going to be different otherwise they wouldn't make it.

So don't just uninstall it after a half hour (which quite a few of you have) research and look around to find the answers!

MY WINDOWS VISTA:

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[Generator]

the only problem with vista is it needs sp1, also in 2009 windows vienna will be around,.i am not sure ifs it will be called vienna or windows 7 anyway it took microsoft 5 years to bring out vista, and its only going to take 2+ years to release vienna. vista is pretty big as well 15 gig installation space required as oppsed to win xp which is about 3.5 gig.

[Thor1160]

1) Do you REALLY believe ANY of their release dates?

2) If it only took 2 years how good/different can it be from vista?

[Generator]

well i reckon it will be out in 2010 they always are a year behind, i dont think i will bother, if i have vista 64bit by then and all 64bit drivers and apps. i will stick with that. in the mean time i am still using windows xp, and will use that for at least another 18 months. also sp3 will be out in the next 3 months so that should be the final service pack. and i will switch to vista 64 bit premier in april 2009. i am running vista ultimate lite at the moment as well, but thats just for testing,1 will see how it goes with the sp1 thats coming out.

[Thor1160]

despite all that...do you think vista is as poorly rated (on this site) as it should be? Mind you: Most people on this site tend to have problems with everyday functions on their computer, never mind learning how to use a new OS

[bookworm]

Originally Posted by Thor1160

despite all that...do you think vista is as poorly rated (on this site) as it should be? Mind you: Most people on this site tend to have problems with everyday functions on their computer, never mind learning how to use a new OS

Any new M$ OS should be given a wide berth until at least the first SP comes out. The main problem with Vista is it's power hungry, if you don't have top specks it's poor. I ran the trial versions and had no problems, I had the system to run it, but all the other manufacturers were playing catch up. One significant point is that MS allowed manufacturers to continue to sell new systems with XP installed even when Vista was launched, a telling point. At the moment I'm staying with XP, SP3 comes out soon but I will not rush to install, wait and see what problems occur, they are sure to appear on the site.

[Generator]

also vista is big. does it warrant being 15 gig installed. xp is about 3.5 gig fully installed and can do just as much as vista. also it was a silly thing that microsoft did and make at least 7 versions of it. all they needed to do was do vista premiun vista ultimate and vista business like xp. it will be at least another 18 months before i think vista will be installed in about 80% of pc,s. as the other user said. i will stick with xp till sp3 comes out. and maybe change in 18 months time. sp3 will give at least 10% more performance on xp. xp has everything i need to use on apps. i think vista will be targeted at gamers, as its got directx 10 for the new games coming out.

[fritzi93]

According to the blog below, Vista is doing well in the consumer market. There has been significant resistance, however, on the part of small businesses.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=349&tag=nl.e590

As noted by Barbara, hardware requirements are rather steep compared to XP. And I question the decision to release it in so many flavors. Install discs, as opposed to OEM licenses, are pricey as well. [shrugs]

One should keep in mind that the vast majority of computer buyers don't care much, they just want their computer to work and perform their accustomed tasks. Most buy a new computer without thought as to which OS is on it, so long as it's the familiar Windows. And no OEM has gone out of their way to make plain to them they can still choose XP, even Dell.

I don't hate Vista, but I'll give it a pass. If you ask yourself what an OS is for, the answer is to run the programs you need, it's not an end in itself. XP is perfectly adequate for now. If all my video editing/encoding programs worked well enough on Ubuntu, I'd ditch Windows entirely. Learning how to use Linux equivalents is time consuming, and I confess I haven't made much progress there.

The first service pack for Vista should fix most of the problems it's had.

[Disk_Contented]

This thread is deja vu. There's a similar themed version on other forums.
AKA.... The majority dislike the OS and have stated so, but at least one has to hammer the message home onto deaf ears.

IMHO. Vista is rubbish, full stop. I don't hate it, same as I don't hate XP, but let's have it right.
It didn't do what was promised from the off. It kicks gamers in the teeth. It wacks the processor to meet it's demands. It wacks the GPU to meet it's demands. Bear in mind the max memory you can use is 4 gig If I'm not mistaken, and you see the memory required is steep.
This is before you even launch a third party app.

The "super mega rocket powered" prefetch it uses is a gag. In case you don't know, It caches all and everything you use most often to available ram in the hope you will use it and it's all ready to go.
That's fine when you follow a set path, but supposing you play a game instead? Won't that cache be flushed when the OS realises you need the ram?
You switch off, and the cache is lost. Only to be reloaded as you work. Forgive my ignorance, but I see it as pointless waste of time. I view it in the same light as I do ram "cleaner" programs. Worse performance in the long run.
It has it's uses, but only where you are fairly repetitive in what you do. It simply makes the OS look faster.

It uses software sound, which is rubbish. Realtek audio is dire. My old Audigy left it standing.
Use your current older Creative, or other soundcard and loose out big time on game audio.
I currently use the Audigy 2 platinum. This is what I loose by switching to Vista:

Originally Posted by Creative's site

This driver does not support the following:
Decoding of Dolby® Digital and DTS™ signals
DVD-Audio
DirectSound®-based EAX games
Gameports
6.1 speaker mode.

Lucky me. I end up with something that performs like an ISA card.
Gaming performance will be down, by order of the driver setup.

OS Security, while improved, is still very XP like, since patches are coming out thick and fast.

Your personal security under Vista logo software is compromised. From the home of spybot:

While we found the "Certified for Vista" logo requirements to be very useful to enforce a high software quality in general, it has a huge drawback, which essentially makes every certified security software prone to getting disabled by malware.

Read the full thing http://www.safer-networking.org/en/news/2007-06-11.html
Still happy with Vista?

So you will forgive me if I don't shout the merits of Vista from the rooftops.

Vienna? Sounds like a Vista upgrade.

XP SP3 will be here this year. I think you get a 5 year support period with service packs, or is it 3? Whichever it is, XP is here for a good while yet.

My opinion. Take it or leave it, but please stop shoving it down my throat.

[Monty007]

The argument will rage for years, although I do lean towards what Disk Contented has to say. I run 4 PCs 2x XP pro, SBS 2003 and Vista ultimate. The PC running vista has quite good specs ( I built it for Vista).
I ran Vista RC 2 in a VM, before I decided to buy it 2 months after its release. Once I installed the official released version it was a big headache to get it to perform in the way I wanted. Software was not really an issiue but driver performance was. 2x 7900GTs in SLI worked perfect with XP but under Vista it was a dog. Even now I removed one of the cards and have given up on nVidia fixing this problem.
Take it or leave it, XP v Vista I do prefer my Vista machine now but can understand completly why so many will never make the move in the near future to Vista or may never run this OS on there machine.

[fritzi93]

The article linked to below confirms some of my reservations re Vista:

1) It's too big and needs slimming down. A related issue is that it's too system-resource hungry.
2) Fix UAC or get rid of it.
3) One year after release and folks are STILL having problems with drivers?

If Windows 7 addresses those complaints in a serious way, maybe they'll avoid some of the present discontent over Vista:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1173&tag=nl.e539

[mlitzelman1]

I CAN'T EVEN GET INTO POGO OR AOL GAMES. YOU ARE BLOCKING SOMEHOW.

[Scismgenie]

My complaints about vista mirror what others have said.I bought it the day it was released to the public, it was four months before I could print a document. ALL of my document scanners and graphics programs were toast.

It seems that Media Center was the center of the M$ universe and if you wanted to assign any of its functions to another program, for-get-it.

I am still PO'd that many of my XP acceptable programs and devices were not then and still not supported.

I have a new 500 Gig external HD (wd My Book) and it says I need to reformat it every time I plug it in... What good is a operating system that doesn't operate what already exists?

[fritzi93]

Interesting thread here:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346642.html

I remember the angst when XP came out. Some of the same folks who slammed XP are all over Vista. Now XP is the best thing since sliced bread.

Nevertheless, it seems a lot of folks are unhappy with Vista.

[pip22]

To Thor1160 -- for many people who don't like Vista it's not because of constant errors or it not working properly, or because they need to read the instructions. For many it's simply because it's slow, takes ages to load, and offers little more than resource-hungry eye candy over Windows XP, with very little little in the way of meaningful improvements.

And why? -- because XP is so damn good now and needs no improvements. That presented Microsoft with a problem -- where do we go from here? Fancy effects and visuals with no practical value -- that's where they went.

The problem with Vista is Vista itself, not the people who use it. Many of them are seasoned programmers and tech support workers -- you want to tell them they hate Vista only because they don't know how to use it properly?

You got one thing right -- Vista is here and it's here to stay. But better than XP? -- no way, at least not where it matters most.