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Old 07-22-2005, 09:22 PM
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FORCE a CD to boot???

I have MAJOR problems with trying to do a clean install of XP Pro on my box. There is a "partial" install already there that will not go any further and everytime I boot from the HD, it restarts...

So...I need to be able to boot from the XP CD....but when I change my BIOS, and save it, the box automatically reverts back to the HD boot....

I never get to see the "please hit any key..." message to boot from the CD...

Help here guys...is there a way to FORCE a CD to boot...

Oh, why? was hit yesterday with an AntivirusGold driveby spyware infection that takes over the whole box.....

anyone near their offices, please throw a rock thru their front window for me!!!

(*&%$E*^%R(*&_)(* damn them!!!!

Jim
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Old 07-22-2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jrudnick@kkti.c
I have MAJOR problems with trying to do a clean install of XP Pro on my box. There is a "partial" install already there that will not go any further and everytime I boot from the HD, it restarts...

So...I need to be able to boot from the XP CD....but when I change my BIOS, and save it, the box automatically reverts back to the HD boot....

I never get to see the "please hit any key..." message to boot from the CD...

Help here guys...is there a way to FORCE a CD to boot...

Oh, why? was hit yesterday with an AntivirusGold driveby spyware infection that takes over the whole box.....

anyone near their offices, please throw a rock thru their front window for me!!!

(*&%$E*^%R(*&_)(* damn them!!!!

Jim

stupied question for me to ask but have you tryed going into your BIOS and setting it to the default settings? this way it restores the settings. not sure i fully understand what you mean.
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Old 07-23-2005, 01:06 AM
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I have MAJOR problems with trying to do a clean install of XP Pro on my box. There is a "partial" install already there that will not go any further and everytime I boot from the HD, it restarts...

So...I need to be able to boot from the XP CD....but when I change my BIOS, and save it, the box automatically reverts back to the HD boot....

I never get to see the "please hit any key..." message to boot from the CD...

Help here guys...is there a way to FORCE a CD to boot...

Oh, why? was hit yesterday with an AntivirusGold driveby spyware infection that takes over the whole box.....

anyone near their offices, please throw a rock thru their front window for me!!!

(*&%$E*^%R(*&_)(* damn them!!!!

Jim

Can you hit F8 and go to command prompt. access your cd from there?
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Old 07-23-2005, 10:17 AM
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Guys,..,.

read my message.

I DID try to change the BIOS...but it wont save the settings to make the CD the boot device!!!!

And no, when you F8, you DO NOT EVER get an option to boot from the CD.

ANYONE else here got some counsel....

:-(

Jim
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:01 PM
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Hi Jim

If you can't start the XP installation by booting from the CD-ROM, it is possible
to start the installation using a Win98 boot disk.
(Floppy needs to be set as first boot device in the BIOS)

Boot the computer with a 98 boot disk.
Choose the option:
Start computer with CD-ROM support.
When you get to the A:\> prompt insert the XP cd.

At the A:\> prompt press ENTER after typing each of these three lines. (Replace the X with your your CD-ROM drive letter).

x:
cd i386
winnt.exe


If setup does not detect Smart Drive
Press ENTER to continue without Smart Drive.
Once setup begins remove the 98 floppy disk.

There is a minor glitch I have always encountered when installing this way.
After Setup has finished copying files to the hard disk, the computer
would hang at this screen.
http://webpages.charter.net/mgs/xpset.gif
Restart the computer and setup should continue.
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nesbit
Hi Jim

If you can't start the XP installation by booting from the CD-ROM, it is possible
to start the installation using a Win98 boot disk.
(Floppy needs to be set as first boot device in the BIOS)

Boot the computer with a 98 boot disk.
Choose the option:
Start computer with CD-ROM support.
When you get to the A:\> prompt insert the XP cd.

At the A:\> prompt press ENTER after typing each of these three lines. (Replace the X with your your CD-ROM drive letter).

x:
cd i386
winnt.exe


If setup does not detect Smart Drive
Press ENTER to continue without Smart Drive.
Once setup begins remove the 98 floppy disk.

There is a minor glitch I have always encountered when installing this way.
After Setup has finished copying files to the hard disk, the computer
would hang at this screen.
http://webpages.charter.net/mgs/xpset.gif
Restart the computer and setup should continue.

This is a very good suggestion indeed yet, one I dont see very often. I think its worth everyone here to remember it.

Although my personal preference when using this methode would be to first use FDISK to make and format two partitions, 1 550MB and 1 with the rest of the drive space. Copy the I386 folder to the 550MB partition so you can forget about the CD in future installations.
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:26 PM
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I am having the same problem, but when the setup hangs on that screen and i restart my computer, setup does not continue. My computer wont boot into anything. Whats wrong?
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:45 PM
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Great addition cache, my preference also. Installing from the hard drive instead of the CD is the better option.
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:08 PM
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I am having the same problem, but when the setup hangs on that screen and i restart my computer, setup does not continue. My computer wont boot into anything. Whats wrong?

If you havent fixed your problem by tomorrow I'll try making a post telling you how to copy the I386 folder to a partiton so you can try it that way if you like.
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:12 PM
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Yes, i will come back tomorrow and post on this thread. Thank you very much.
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:42 PM
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Well, after numerious tries, i dont think that i am going to get XP installed with use of the cd. I would have to copy it to my hard drive. Could you tell me how? Thanks.
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Old 07-28-2005, 09:40 PM
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Before I get into this whole FDISK process Id like to first suggest you try the process posted above but DO NOT restart you computer when the setup hangs. Whilst in the making of this post I found even the way I will show bellow hangs at the same place, BUT, and this is a big but, I found leaving the setup on that screen for some time it did actually get going and installed just fine. Time is the key here I belive.

With that sead, here is the post i promised:

Boot from a Win 98 Boot disk that has SMARTDRV.exe and XCOPY.exe (I use THIS one).

Select "Without CD-ROM Support".

At the A: prompt type "FDISK" without the quotes.

select "Y" to enable large disk support.

At the "FDISK Options" screen, select option 4 to view the currant status of the hard drives partitions. If you find existing partitions you need to delete them--> Back at the "FDISK Options" screen, select option 3. If you found anything other than DOS paritions when you examined the drive you can delete them by selection option 4 (in the "Delete DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive" screen).


If you had more than one DOS partition select option 3, go through the prompts and delete all Logical DOS drives. Then select option 2 and delete any Extended DOS partitions. Next select option 1 (in the "Delete DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive" screen) and delete the Primay DOS partition.

If you only have one partition just select option 1 (in the "Delete DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive" screen) and delete the Primary partition.

You should now have deleted all partitions on the drive. Back at the "FDISK Options" screen select option 4 again, if you have succefully deleted all partitions you should see something like "No partitions defined" near the bottom of the screen.

If my explanation on deleting partitions was no good to you then have a read through the following lik:
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000344.htm
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The next step is to make two partitons. One Primary DOS partiton which will be used to acually install XP to, and one Logical DOS drive inside an Extended DOS partiton which will be used to copy the installation files to. If you want to make more partitions its up to you but thats not the way im doing it here.

At the "FDISK Options" screen, select option 1. Now at the "Create DOS Partiton or Logical DOS Drive" screen, select option 1, when asked to used the maximum available size, press "N" for no then press enter.

Next you will be asked for the size of the partiton to make in MB or %, simply minus 600MB from the total availible disk space and input that number. So you look at it like this:

1GB = 1000MB

your hard drive may be 40GB, so: 40GB = 40000MB - 600MB = 39400MB (I think, hehe)

In that case you would input "39400" and press enter.

Back at the "FDISK Options" screen, select option 2 (Set active Partition). In the next screen input "1" to select the partition to make active and press enter.

Back to the "FDISK Options" screen again and select option 1. On the "Create DOS Partiton or Logical DOS Drive" screen select option 2 (Create Extended DOS Partition). On the next screen you enter the size of the partiton to make. You need to use the full amount of available space for this partition so just press enter with the amount it has already entered for you. Just do the same thing on the next few screens untill you come to a screen telling you "All available space in the Extented DOS Partition is assigned to Logical Drives" then press Esc to continue.
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Hopefully you now have the two partitions needed to copy the installation files and install Windows to. Next you need to format both partitions.

Press Esc to exit FDISK then Reboot (from the boot disk still). This time select with CD-ROM support.

When you reach the A: prompt type "format C:" without the quotes and press enter, select "Y" to proceed with format and wait untill it finishes. You will then be prompted to enter a volume lable, put whatever you like here or just press enter for none (I choose none).

At the A: prompt again, type "format d:" without the quotes and press enter select "Y" to proceed with format and wait untill it finishes. You will the be prompted to enter a volume lable, put whatever you like here or just press enter for none (I choose none).

Now insert your XP-CD, wait a second then at the A: prompt type "SMARTDRV.EXE" without the quotes.

When smartdrv.exe has loaded, at the A: prompt type "XCOPY X:\I386\*.* D:\I386\ /s/e" without the quotes, change "X:" for your CD-ROM drive letter. If you used the boot disk from the link I gave then your CD-ROM drive letter will be "X". This will now copy all the installation files from your XP-CD to the partition you created earlier.

Once all the files have been copied over:

At the A: prompt type "D:" without the quotes.

Next type "I386\WINNT.EXE" without the quotes. After this you may be asked to specify the location of setup files, if so, type "I386" without the quotes and press enter.This should start the Windows XP installation process.

Once the setup starts you MUST remove the boot disk from the floppy drive BEFORE the setup reboots your computer.

Note: and this is a BIG NOTE, if the setup APPEARS to hang at the copying files to hard drive screen DO NOT restart, just wait it WILL start eventually.

If you find my FDISK instructions seem a little choppy just do a google on FDISK.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-10-2005, 03:58 PM
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Can't boot to recovery CD after AntivirusGold nightmare!

I've got the same problem, mate. I think we're f^&%$d. I'm on a Sony Laptop and after trying about a million times to boot into their recovery disk it did it by chance and I managed to wipe and re-install my system. My system was ok for about a day and then I started getting the same problems but can't boot into the CD at all. I've tried F9ing it in the BIOS and, like you, it won't save the settings.

Do I still have the virus hidden away even after recovery of do those hacker t^@ts have my ip address or something?

What can I do!!!???

I'm contemplating suicide.
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Old 08-10-2005, 05:42 PM
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Unfortunately using the "F-Disk" method does not always work (although, most times it will). The other option is to download (on another machine) the tool to "0" the hard drive from the mfg. of the drive itself. This, generally will elimate complications arising from previous installations and thus allow the installation to proceed smoothly.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:15 PM
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okay so im having a similar problem. i have xp installed fine but now whenever i turn on my computer, i need to f10 to manually select it to boot the HD. this only starte happening since i got an error message that "no HD detected." this was completely out of the blue. so any suggustions?
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